High Caliber NC with Heather Allen!

In this episode, Heather Allen, also known as @highcaliber_NC, shares her journey into the world of firearms. Heather discusses her transition from teaching basic handgun lessons in California to becoming a board member of the North Carolina Concealed Carry Instructor Association. She highlights the significant differences in gun laws between California and North Carolina and talks about her experience obtaining a home-based FFL (Federal Firearms License). Heather also touches on the challenges and misconceptions surrounding firearms, including the importance of educating children about gun safety. Additionally, she shares insights into her book "Fifty States in My Sights," recounting her three-year journey through all 50 states of the United States. Tune in to learn more about Heather's passion for firearms and her advocacy for responsible gun ownership.

Transcript

Ecamm Live Recording on 2024-05-08 at 09.54.16

[00:00:00] All right. It is so nice to meet you. I'm so excited. Thank you for coming on my podcast, my little podcast. So talk to me a little bit about yourself. This is Heather. You are high caliber underscore. And see, I had to swap that from OC. We moved to North Carolina, so

Awesome. Tell me a little bit about yourself. How'd you get into this whole thing? Don't think we're not going to talk about this. All right. Yeah, we're just saying I was also born and raised in California, Long Beach. We also lived in Orange County for many years and I started working for the California Rifle Pistol Association, which if you can believe it at It actually originated in San Francisco of all places, the California Rifle Pistol Association.

So they're fighting hard for California's gun rights. And I just got really into second amendment rights, constitutional [00:01:00] rights. I started teaching basic handgun lessons to a lot of females in California, and then we followed. Millions of people moved out of California to North Carolina. I noticed a lot of people weren't asking me to teach them how to shoot.

It was like, can you help me get my concealed carry permit? Where, when I left Los Angeles, the approval rate to get a concealed carry permit was something like 0. 002% Success rate definitely different out here in North Carolina. So I just got into it, started teaching classes, and now I'm actually on the board of the North Carolina Concealed Carry Instructor Association.

So it's been a fun ride. Very cool. That's awesome. So you're teaching, you started off just teaching people and now you're helping them get their concealed carry license. But then you were talking a little bit and what caught my attention was that there aren't a lot of. FFL female license. So tell me, talk to me a little bit about that because all I know is that [00:02:00]invites the government all up in your business to tell me.

Yeah. That was a five hour sit down in my home with the ATF and I joke like when they knocked on the door, first thing out of my mouth was, my dog's really freaky. I have a very friendly dog. So nice. Dogs survive. But yeah, I just, I also started teaching ladies night. So the first Thursday of the month, I get a bunch of ladies and we all shoot so much fun.

And I noticed some were like, Hey, do you sell guns? And after a while it was like, why don't I sell guns? I have the opportunity in North Carolina to have a home based FFL. And that's been a lot of fun as well. But I did notice when I just looked up it was mostly males, at least in North Carolina. I didn't really look at all of America, so I should do a deep dive and see what the percentage is of females who have their FFL.

That'd be really interesting. So besides having an ATF agent come to your home, Who? Two! Oh gosh! I don't know if [00:03:00] I could survive that, I might have a heart attack. So what is involved in doing it? Because people tend to think, or at least from my perspective, it's seen as, oh, it's so hard to do What is actually involved?

There was a lot of paperwork and I had to mail that off to the headquarters and four months later, I, it was a 200 check. I had to turn in and as when I was walking through the booths of SHOT Show, I found out that the check got cleared. So I was like, all right, let's do this SHOT Show. I'm on my way.

And then yeah, it was four months total. And then it did have a five hour interview with the ATF and they were actually really nice here in Wilmington. And then it was only like maybe one month after that is when my FFL was cleared. So I'm losing your video. Oh, I guess they'll see you. We got you.

We're back. It's just a little internet glitch. It happens, it does happen. But yeah. So my [00:04:00] goodness, that's awesome. So you're one of the few female FFL holders in North Carolina. We don't know about the rest of the world. That's okay. They're the rest of the United States. I will say, I do know. I do know a female FFL in Council, Idaho, and she was a plaintiff in a big lawsuit in California, and now she she opened up her own gun shop in Council, Idaho.

That's really cool. So do you have plans? I know you said yours is home base, but do you have plans to maybe open up shop somewhere? Is that a different kind of thing? I don't know. Yeah, maybe something small, if they're not small, it could be. We'll see in the secrets, it could be exciting. When people I should say when women are coming to you, because I'm more on the female side of the focus on this particular topic, but when women come to you looking for a firearm or looking to learn how to shoot a firearm, what is one of the most popular firearms that, that are working for, I would say your, I want to say your demographic, but the people [00:05:00] that come to you?

Yeah. I'm curious. What's interesting is I'll have a whole bunch of guns out and I'll say, try everything, see what you shoot best with, what you're comfortable with, what fits best in your hand. I have a Glock 19 that's almost 20 years old. And if women have a hard time, they last forever, right? But if they have a hard time racking the slide, I'll say, This gun is pretty worn in.

If you buy a brand new one, you're going to have a heart. It's going to be stiff, right? So then it comes in. If they do have a hard time with that I'll show them that slide easy or the easy slide from Smith and Wesson. So that is a big seller right now for women, I would say. That's cool. Do you feel like, and these are just random questions that I'm curious about.

Do you feel like a lot of women do better with a nine millimeter or are we leaning towards a heavier gun that's like 45? I'm just wondering what you're seeing. It's funny. So my little ladies night I have the last Thursday was right before the Kentucky Derby [00:06:00] and I said, ladies, we're going to wear our big hats and we're going to shoot big guns.

So I brought my 45 and that's pretty much like the only 45 that's there, like typically it is like nine millimeter or three 80, I don't see much of the smaller calibers, like 22 too often. So I would say, yeah, I'd say nine millimeter, three 80 are pretty common. It's cool. Yeah. I, like a lot of people, I, or I should say like a lot of women, I thought, Oh, when I first got, I'm going to get, it's going to be small.

It'll be little, it'll be perfect. And the thing near flew out of my hand. So then it was like, okay maybe we should work on some fundamentals. Your grip. So it's interesting you say that. In 2020, when everyone was buying guns, like everyone and their mom women would come, it was in Los Angeles and they'd say, Oh, look at the gun I bought.

Isn't it so cute? Cause it'd be tiny, but maybe a bigger caliber. And I was like, okay, a lot of people don't realize the smaller, the gun. The more recoil it's going to [00:07:00] have, because the heavier and bigger the gun, the more recoil it'll absorb. Something to learn, for people. It's always something to think about, and I think that's one of those basic things.

Talk to me a little bit about, you teach, so what do you what are some of the fundamental things you go over first? What would you obviously, gun safety. , always keep your finger off the trigger. Watch where you're pointing that thing. Exactly. Those are like the basic things that we assume are common sense, but what are some things that you typically run into in a, like a brand new beginner class?

So just what you said. I'll talk about the safety rules and I'll talk about, the last safety rule I'll talk about is it's a good idea to know what's beyond your target. If you're out in the desert, out in the woods. And then I say, cause it's the little segue to ammunition. And I have a bunch of dummy rounds and then I'll say like the little 22s can travel over a mile.

And then I go into a whole thing on like ammunition, like the difference between hollow point. Full metal jacket, what centerfire, [00:08:00] rimfire is, and then I typically use a Glock, so I'll go into the actual handgun. For concealed carry classes, it's interesting because North Carolina wants you to know both semi automatic and about revolvers.

So I have to talk about revolvers too, even if people are like, I never want to touch a revolver. I'm like North Carolina says they want you to know what a revolver is in the parts. And then I show them how to load, unload, and then I have them practice with the dummy rounds. And then I practice a good grip, side loop.

I'm having a little bit of a recording issue. Let me see if it'll let me resume. Awesome. Okay, cool. So I'm going to have you backtrack just a little bit because I'm not sure how much of that last part we got. So just coming in and shooting. You were saying, oh, they were saying that both. You have to know about both the semi auto and the revolver.

That was the part. Yeah. Okay. What's interesting is that the state of North Carolina wants people to know about both semi automatic and revolvers. [00:09:00] So even if clients are like, I never want to touch a revolver, it's sorry, state of North Carolina says they want you to learn about this. But I like revolvers.

I don't know if you've shot revolvers, but I think they're fun. I feel like they're a Western y thing, so I definitely think they're very cool and I would like to, but I haven't yet, I have not had a chance. So that brings me to my next question. Do you have any kids? Have you worked with kids and guns before?

Yes. That'd be it. Yeah, I have one daughter. Her name's Kyla. She's gonna be driving in October, which is so crazy. But she's great. She's a great shot. She, I talk about her in the book. I wrote how she like totally outshot me in the state of Wyoming. And I was like, go to your room. No, but I have taught kids.

Here's something that Interesting and also infuriating. But when I was in California, I did on my website, I had kids shooting on my website and there was a few families. I went to their homes and they [00:10:00] said we were looking into instructors and we really liked yours because we want you to help our kids be safe.

And you had kids on your website. Two summers, it was July 1st, a few years ago. Gavin Newsom, he signed a very vague executive order. Exactly. Like your face says it all. And it was that you could not solicit guns to children. So I worked at a few ranges and they're like we teach like youth safety classes, is that soliciting guns?

And it came with a hefty 25, 000 fine per violation. And I had friends like rifle supply, they removed their youth size t shirts that said rifle supplies. So in my mind, I was like, if I was back there because I had kids on my website, would I have been fined 25, 000? It's crazy. We can start on the gun laws and California and go a whole nine yards and then some right.

We try not to get into Gavin Newsom. Wow. But any who, [00:11:00] I'm glad you got out of that area. But in North Carolina, I'm assuming things are a little more lax. I don't want to say country states. Oh yeah. We're a little easier on that idea, but there are a lot of youth shooters. So I don't understand.

I understand why California, but anywho, how is it going there? Have you had a chance to start any youth classes in North Carolina? Is that, yeah, I definitely taught a few I've taken like some neighbor's kids and went over the whole. Yeah, I think. And then I did have a lesson recently and they had a four year old boy and he he kept coming up.

It was inside the house. We're going over the laws and he said, can I show you my pew pews? Let me show you my pew pews. And we're like, okay, yes. And we like had his like little toy guns out and I put him on my gun mat and he was all excited, but it's so cute. Yeah, that's cool. So did you grow up shooting or did you come into this later on in life?

What led you to this? This this part of your career. I feel [00:12:00] like it was typical in California. Maybe you could relate to, but like my dad had a gun, but it was always it's under the bed, don't touch it. It's, in the closet, don't touch it. And I was like, Oh, let's go surfing. I like, wasn't really interested, but my husband, I met him when I was 24 and he was in the Navy.

He's like special warfare. And then he worked for the LA County Sheriff's department for 15 years. And I remember him telling me like. It's a long response time. Like people don't understand, like when you call 15, 20 minutes, like that's a good response time. And he would be gone for the Navy reserves.

I had a little baby in the house. And I remember like the guns were there. I should probably learn how to use one of these. Like you're, we're all our own first responders. And then when I started working for the California Rifle Pistol Association, that's when I like really dove in, you could say. Okay.

So as a mom with guns at home, are there any special considerations that you feel [00:13:00] like maybe before you had a baby that you weren't thinking about or different ways that you like to carry now or then, she's what, 16 now. So yeah. So it's not really as big of a thing now, but when they're little, I feel like especially for someone like me who didn't come from a family of any guns at all, my mom was very, Guns are bad when I was little.

So that wasn't even like an option of having one in the house, let alone talking about it. So how did you, since your husband was into it, maybe it was an easier idea, but how did you carry outside the home? Did you carry inside the home? I'm curious, just whatever you feel. Yeah.

Yeah, we pretty much have always had a gun in the house since she was born. And what's been interesting is I remember teaching, I think they're about 10 year old boys and inside the house when we're using the dummy rounds and practicing, you could see they're like, Oh, look at me. It's almost like a video game type of thing that all changed.

As soon as we stepped into the shooting range, [00:14:00] it's loud. When they did squeeze the trigger, it had the recoil and just like everything changed. So I think once kids do shoot, even if it's just a 22, like they can see that it's not a toy, this will destroy whatever is in front of it when you pull the trigger.

So I think just make, I think they were pretty much out of sight, out of mind when she was little, which is interesting because she's a girl and I have friends with young boys and they're like, oh no, they're locked because. Our boys will find them like they will sense it and they will find cause like they're so interested in stuff.

So I think it's just really ingraining in them that like, you can only see this with an adult. And they have that whole Eddie Eagle from the NRA, which has saved. So many lives, that little cheesy song that's stop, don't touch, run away, tell a grown up. Yeah, it's so catchy, but I think just ingraining that in kids, I think it should be in every elementary school having yes, no, I'm with you [00:15:00] there.

Yeah, definitely. I feel like it's a tool like any other tool, but then again, we've taken away woodshop and so many other things. But it's a skill that everyone should know. Especially considering our constitution and, where we came from and our history, respect for that should be taught.

And I also feel that's something that keeps you honest in a way. I was talking to someone else about this the other day, the honesty that comes with the responsibility. Or maybe it's the responsibility that comes with the honesty. I don't know. But for me, I was like, okay, so now that we have this, I have to teach you what to do, what not to do, what this is, what it can do, how it, how it's supposed to be used.

Same way you would use a screwdriver. And people are like, you know what, that's like a, that's a deadly weapon. And I'm like, the screwdriver in the right hand can also be a deadly weapon. You fall on it, you stab somebody with it. It's all over. It's like the same thing.

So definitely, I agree. We should have that [00:16:00] as, and I think, they used to have ROTC in school, like my husband's that's the first time I even, assembled and, or disassembled and reassembled anything and he was like, and they were allowed to bring it to school. And granted he's older than me.

He's 50. So we did that back in the olden days, but I like good old days. But yeah, definitely. Those are some things that would be very cool. I don't even think they would attempt that in even like Christian private schools these days, right? Like it's subject, but hopefully we can take a little bit of the stigma off of that.

So let's see. What are some things that you wish people knew? Or you wish you had known about firearms, either growing up or, as a young mom what do you think people need to know, Heather? I think I think if women are timid and they're just like, I'm against guns or I'm too scared.

It's typically the women who are like, girl power, [00:17:00] which is mind blowing. So to me, it's just know that you are capable. This is an inanimate object. And it's only going to fire when you squeeze the trigger and you are definitely, you are capable and you can put your safety into your own hands.

So I think that's good for women to understand. Absolutely.

Do you want to ask me anything? Yes how did you get into all of this? Oh my goodness. This world have you always been like pretty political or did that come later in life? So I'm, okay, my husband doesn't want me to say my age, but anyways, I'm in my early 40s. When we first had our first kiddo Isaiah, who's almost going to be 22 this year.

Old enough. It's okay.

So he, [00:18:00] I did everything the doctors told me to do. I was, I cried when Obama was sworn into office. I was a total democrat. You never like you wouldn't even know who that person was today like listening to me now or talking to me now. Isaiah Like I said, I did everything every shot every yeah.

On schedule, if not early, like all the things on the same day. So fast forward to his 12 month baby, visit, and he started, he had his shots right? And gave him a bath, gave him Tylenol. Oh my gosh. He screamed all night and I couldn't figure out what was going on. The next day he broke out. He basically got.

Measles from the measles vaccine, but what? But you told me to do right? About two weeks later, we were in the hospital and they couldn't find a vein and he was extremely dehydrated. He wouldn't drink or he just was. peeing constantly and [00:19:00] I'm like something's not right. It looks like he might be having trouble breathing.

Like I really think I need to see you right now. And we go to the doctor and she's I'm gonna send you to the emergency room because he's got, he looks like he has diabetes. And so they diagnosed him with diabetes and we were in there for 10 days and basically he almost died. Oh my god. Then the thing that struck me was that the nurses were like, wow, we haven't had anybody today.

He's our first one of the day. You We were in the NICU and they were just like we should have more there should be more than this and this was 20 years ago. So then I was like something's not right. We won't be doing any more of that. I trusted you. I trusted all these things. Why? And so I started speaking out and I lost a lot of people that way, people thought I was crazy.

You have to You're just weeding out the losers, that's what I tell people. I know! So that was my first foray into speaking my mind about anything and at the time I didn't even know I was being [00:20:00] any kind of political or going against the grain. I just knew that this had hurt my baby and I wasn't going to continue.

It was very surprising to be met with so much cognitive dissonance. So you've known me for this many years. I had a baby. He was originally healthy. But now we're going through this and now you think I'm a conspiracy theorist? I was like, but you saw what just happened to your baby. Nephew, cousin, grandson.

Like why? You think I'm crazy? It actually happened. It was not a conspiracy, right? Yeah. So after that I was just like, okay what else are they not telling us and I couldn't keep my mouth shut. So here we are about 111, 000 followers later and it's wait, what? Good for you. Yeah. The follower count is whatever.

I don't actually know if that Has any kind of impact, but I just keep speak in my mind and people seem to agree. So we went there and [00:21:00] then as for like firearms, like I never showed anything, and after we had Isaiah, which was like, my husband, Richard, he was like, we probably should.

I get a gun in the house and I was like, what for? We're in California. I hadn't gotten that far yet. Your government loves you. And I remember the first time I shot, I think I shot a 45 and I was just like, Wow. Yeah. So that's what these can do. And I was like, that might be a little big for me.

And then I shot a nine millimeter and I was like, okay that's better. And that's an interesting way to go about it. Start with a 45, go down a little bit, and I was always flinching every time I'd be like, oh my god, so we went down and then I had shot an AR, which of course is like the gateway.

Yeah. It's like the gateway drug of guns, you get a firearm, get a pistol, and then you're like, Oh, what about an AR? You shoot the AR and you're like, Oh, okay. Can we tell everyone what AR stands for? Maybe some listeners don't know. Maybe they think it stands for Assault Rifle, or [00:22:00] There's so many different ideas.

It does not stand for assault rifle. Go ahead. It's Armalite, everybody. Armalite rifle. Now, now, I teach that in every class, just because I'm like, now you can tell everyone. Common misconceptions, right? They're like, it's an assault rifle. I'm like, no, it's not. No, you can't assault somebody with it.

You can take it and hit them. If it doesn't work, you can just hit him with it. But no, armily. The common misconceptions about so many things, just like everyone thinking that an AR is always going to be fully automatic. I'm like, one at a time, one at a time. Have you ever shot fully automatic?

I haven't. No, I haven't. I really want to, but I'm sure there's somewhere in Idaho, you can do that and make that happen. I was thinking that. Someone might like have a day class. You could [00:23:00] go and have some fun. I'm there yet. I just got my girl and a gun membership. So I'm hoping to, and the other Ursula 3082 is you need to go do a pistol match.

And I was like, I don't know. Okay. But yeah, so that was the best, that was the best thing was shooting the AR for the first time. And then I shot a 22 and I stopped flinching. And then I was like, that was like, it's on, we're going. Yeah. Almost like a BB gun at that point. Yeah. Which, another lady I've spoken to Katrina from Alpha Female Tactical.

She starts people off with BB guns. Just to get in the habit of it, and I was like, oh, that's cool. Yeah. Especially and I figure like for kids and stuff too, that would be a great way. A little less danger, right? You still shoot your eye out, kid. But, it's a good little segue into something like a 22.

Especially for maybe smaller humans of the same age, right? My son is eight and he's [00:24:00] like very tiny. So I worry about him. I'm like, you're ready, but I don't know if it's quite there yet. But let me just ask you, what are some common misconceptions? What are some things that you wish people knew that you come across and that just I don't know, maybe mind blowing.

Okay. Here's some statistics for you. It's unfortunate that roughly about, there's about 30, 000 deaths in America when it comes to, you could call American gun violence statistics. It's almost 63, 64 percent are suicides with firearms, which again is like really tragic. There's two organizations really trying to combat that right now.

One's called walk the talk America. And one is hold my guns. And then, there, I don't know if you remember, but there was, it was a guy who wasn't supposed to be in America, was deported like seven times for horrible things, found himself back in Napa County. He was pulled over by a female deputy.

And as soon as she pulled him [00:25:00] over, he shot. At her, it's all on video. She like does a matrix, dodges the bullet, and then she shoots him. So this person who was, kicked out for like sex crimes and like terrible things. He tries to shoot a female deputy, he's dead. And now that person is a American gun statistic.

So I think that's something to have in mind. Wow. My goodness. Props to that female officer. Let me just say, dang dude, that's another thing. But I try to keep the mass amount of the politics Out like the adjoining politics out of this, but it's really not possible. It's all connected. Our rights are under attack.

Our constitutional rights are under attack. I read something just this morning. I can't even remember exactly what the headline was, but I was just like, wow, there it goes again. Oh, that's what it was a certain parts of the Bible. You can't say anymore. I was like, what? Makes [00:26:00] no sense. Yeah. That goes against so many things.

I don't even know where to start. So many. But yeah. I'll still be talking about Jesus so they can stick it where the sun don't shine on that one. But my Right.

Heather, I really appreciate you being on. I didn't have a massive amount of stuff to talk about, but thank you so much for hopping on and giving me your time. Oh, yeah. Was there anything that we missed that maybe you might like to share or talk about? Cause I'm really Oh yeah, I'm excited.

So I'm, okay, so I'm also a range safety officer and I found myself when I was like, range is hot, range is cold. I put my ears on, I like put them down and then I couldn't find them. Or if I had the little buds, I take them out and then I'd turn around, they'd fall out. So there's nothing on the market like this, but I'm so proud of myself.

I made this like headband with ear protection. I'll have to send you a pair, but. They're going to go on my website soon. I'm not that tech savvy as you can probably see, but [00:27:00] so I'm going to figure out how to put these on my website, but I'm so excited about these. I use them every time I go to the ring, like little Rosie, the riveter, like headbands.

Yeah, I'm going to need some, I'm going to need to talk about it all over the place. Also for anybody who's watching or even just listening, Heather has an amazing book, 50 States, in my sights. I absolutely love this. I am all up in the Idaho. State because it's nice. Yeah. Beautiful. If you haven't had a chance, I would definitely recommend hopping over.

You can get it on Amazon, right? Or on your website. And it's not, you're supporting Heather, which is also amazing, but also you're going to get a lot of information. Oh that brings the things. How was the three year trip through the United States? You went to all 50 States. I don't even know if I can say that.

I kind of joke. I don't know if you got to the part in the book where I talk about how all my friends also moved out of [00:28:00] California. So it was like, Hey, can you, do you want to shoot with me in Florida, Oklahoma, Indiana, like all the States people have moved to. So that definitely made it easier.

And then. But yeah, it was a good time and there's lots of places I want to go back to bring my family back. They didn't get to go, but Idaho was the first state that like, I had never been to just a beautiful outdoor range surrounded by like gorgeous trees, completely free. I was like looking at it.

This is free. That's crazy. It was really fun. So pretty. Yeah. Yeah. My husband took me out not too long ago, I think last month. And I was just like so we can just And I was like, Oh man, this is wonderful, but definitely love Idaho. They're very cool people here. [00:29:00] I was told originally when we moved there, there's no black people there.

It's going to be racist. Dude, what planet are you on? Everybody in Idaho other than some of them. Coming over Californians that aren't as cool as us. Yeah the Idahoans, the natives are amazing. Just these sweetest people, even, okay, it doesn't sound very funny, but even the cops aren't just the coolest people, they're so sweet to you.

They might pull you over and be like do you know why I pulled you over? Okay. Huh. Just hang on just a second. I'll be right back Can I have your license, please? Just like the nicest people! And Isaiah, he always gets like really nervous meeting new people and one time I got the car and I was speeding technically I was like, so this is my son Isaiah.

He's autistic and the guy was like Hi. Hi, Isaiah. And he just went around. He's Hey, how's it going? And he like shook his hand and it was just totally sweet to him. He was like, okay, cool. I'm good. I'm Isaiah. [00:30:00] But yeah, pulled over. Okay. I hadn't gotten a ticket in over eight years. I got pulled over twice in five days and I had never been pulled over by an unmarked vehicle before and it was in the middle of nowhere and I was like, oh, so when the light from inside went on, I like got on my phone, called 911, started to pull over and I just made sure that this was an actual cop.

So something to talk to your kids about, because when I got home, I mentioned it to my daughter. She's what? Like she had no idea. And I was like, Oh, I'm glad that happened. Cause now I could tell her like, you absolutely have the right to call 9 1 1, pretty much anytime verify this is an actual police officer.

Cause that is one thing on in North Carolina, there's. Things that you can have done within three years or ever that will prevent you from getting a concealed carry permit. And one is impersonating a cop. So it happens. I like, I know it [00:31:00] happens. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. And I just have to point out.

Because people are always like, Oh, if you're going to get racially profiled, someone's going to pull you over. My girl Heather over here.

I don't think I had a pretty good spray tan, but no, I'm definitely white. And I'm dead. Yeah. Two times. What are the odds? But. I'm a good driver, I swear. I know, right? I know, I'm like, I don't even try to go fast. I like taking my time getting from A to B. But didn't you have one you were driving? I can't remember where, but I just saw it on the internet.

And you had your weapon in the car and you said you got to get over it and it was like a whole thing. I was going five miles over the speed limit. Like when he told me I was like, and, but I was like, all right. But yeah, the first time I was like, here we go. I got a gun, [00:32:00] loaded gun. Like I knew I was in Virginia and they reciprocated.

So I was like I'm totally legal. And I just gave it to him. And then I've talked to other people who have also. Had to tell the cop that they had a loaded gun and I think the phrase they've been told to say is You don't reach for anything and I won't reach for anything, right? Yeah okay, I tend to Yeah

My goodness thank you so much. I'm gonna go ahead and end it here for this one Hopefully you'll come back and chat with me again later. Of course. Yeah, I love all your You Your people on here. I will have to introduce you to a friend who I met at the National Ladies Day. Your name's Natalie. She drove an hour and a half to vote for Hillary Clinton, and she could not be more opposite today.

Very patriotic. And I think you guys have a lot to talk about. That would be cool. No, I'm looking for people to talk to. I [00:33:00] don't really know what I'm doing. This podcast. No, it's great. It's just a fun conversation. And I'm just yeah, I'm just meeting new people and seeing where it goes from there.

So I would appreciate all the suggestions. I'm all about that. But yeah, that's all I have for now. Thank you so much for being on. No, Yeah. If you guys haven't, check out the book and definitely look for the awesome headband. High caliber headband, . Ooh. High caliber headband. I need one!